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it's called medgar&myrlie. saturday, april 6th, joy reid and i are going to do an episode about the book. i am so looking forward to this. if you want tickets, you can find out how to get them at msnbc.com/medgar and pheurly. 7:00 p.m. here to discuss many things, including tomorrow's supreme court arguments on the big aportion case. that does it for us for now. now it's time for "the last word" with lawrence o'donnell. good evening. rachel and joy at the apollo. it was bound to happen. i shouldn't seem surprised at all. rachel, remember several weeks ago, when you were really sick, and you managed to come into the studio and anchor one of our primary night coverages? and i'm -- i'm -- i'm not as sick as that tonight. >> oh, no. >> you about i'm -- i'm much

more of a cry baby. so for me, it's worse than a good soldier like you. and you know, if this was any other day, this would have been a sick day. but after watching "meet the press" yesterday, i thought, i have to come in. i have a few things i have to say about that. >> i'm desperate to know what you're going to say about that. do you know what you have? >> i just have a cold. i tested for covid. and it's so peculiar to have a cold in the age of covid. because now you don't believe it at first. and you just keep testing. waiting for, when is it going to say i have it. and it's just a cold. and i'm just not man enough for a cold anymore, rachel. i'm just not. i'm telling you. this is difficult. >> well, i hope there are hot beverages near you, but out of sight. you have to pace yourself. you'll get through it. if you want any of my creepy -- i grew up in california -- like hippy cures.

>> i will let the guests give very long answers tonight. upon. >> feel better, my friend. >> thank you. well, there was a time when sunday morning tv belonged to my friend, tim russert. >> if it's sunday, it's "meet the press." >> the line between the press and political operatives, have been has been crossed countless times in both directions. louis howe was an albany reporter, chain smoker, who believed that the freshman state senator, franklin delano roosevelt was destined for bigger things. william howe not only became senator roosevelt's re-election campaign manager. but the manager of franklin roosevelt's political career. there would have been no governor roosevelt. there would have been no president roosevelt, without louis howe. tim russert got his start in politics the same way i did.

working for senator daniel patrick moynahan. >> and with us now, a man whose senate staff i served on a decade and a half ago. daniel patrick moynahan, senior senator from new york. welcome. >> now, i'm biased. but i think tim was the best moderator of "meet the press" or any sunday show ever. no one ever questioned tim russert's fairness and objectivity. even when he was interviewing his former boss. and i have a feeling tim russert would have been cheering for his former protege and friend, chuck todd yesterday, after "meet the press" interview of the former republican party chair, ronna mcdaniel, who was hired as a paid contributor to nbc news last week. >> i think so our bosses owe you an apology for putting you in this situation. because i don't know what to believe. she is now a paid contributor.

by nbc news. i have no idea whether any answer she gave to you was because she didn't want to mess up her contract. she wants us to believe that she was speaking for the rnc when the rnc was paying for her. so she has credibility issues that she still has to deal with. is she speaking for herself? or is she speaking on behalf of who is paying her? there's a lot of reasons why many of professional journalists are skeptical. many of us have been met with gaslighting. >> she called me a proppa propagandist. i stopped inviting trump liars like her on this program in 2016. because i've never seen a satisfying, successful interview of a trump lier. and i never thought that i

alone, could crack the code on a trump liar. they are fast and furious liars. and i never thought i could keep up. i never thought i would interview ronna mcdaniel the way i frequently interview my long-time friend, stewart stevens, who ran her uncle mitt romney's presidential pam cane. presidential campaign. msnbc will not use ronna mcdaniels. but i do have a few questions for her, whenever she might want to come on this program. and i'll make it easy for her. i'll tell her the questions ahead of time. my first question would be, why did you change your name for donald trump? before trump ran for president. her name was ronna romney- mcdaniel. how does that feel to change your name to curry favor with a madman, because he doesn't like

your uncle? how did you explain that to your kids? what lesson did your kids learn from that? and i mention her kids because she always mentions her kids. and that she's a mother. whenever she is speaking publicly. and then i would ask her about everything she did. to try to help donald trump overthrow the election that she yesterday, decided to say, for the very first time, four years late, that joe biden won, fair and square. there is an easy way to avoid the controversy nbc news has stumbled into. don't hire anyone close to the crimes. that's what happened to the nixon gang, the only comparable predecessor to the trump gang. only the nixon speech writers, who literally worked at a different building from the white house, far away from the

crimes, were welcomed across the line. into the news media. william sapphire became a serious conservative columnist at the "new york times," in 1973, the year before the nixon crimes were fully exposed. a decade later. david gergan went to u.s. news and world report. and john mclaughlin was joined by fellow nixon speech writer pat buchanan, and many years later, joined by me. now, those guys knew nixon was a criminal, and they never, never defended nixon to me privately, for even a minute. john dean, who was deeply involved in nixon's crimes and served time in prison, emerged 35 years later, as a tv commentator on the clinton impeachment, without being paid by any network.

cnn gave john dean a paid position during the trump presidency, 45 years after the nixon crimes for which he was convicted. none of the people who were involved in hiring ronna romney- mcdaniel, were old enough to live through any of that history. some of them were not born yet. they don't know the nixon rule. the rule the news media followed when hiring the very few people who were hired from nixon world. no one close to the crimes. rona romney mcdaniel was on the phone with donald trump while he was trying to illegally overturn the presidential election in michigan. that is close to the crimes. that is way too close. to the crimes.

of all the crimes donald trump is charged with, the first crime he allegedly committed is the first one going to trial. april 15th. that is the date that the world will see a former president of the united states stand trial in a criminal case for the first time in history. donald trump faces 34 counts of falsifying business records for allegedly trying to hide hush money payments to porn star stormy daniels, ahead of the 2016 election. it was a date that judge held at the end, after donald trump's lawyers tried to further delay the trial, faultily accusing prosecutors of withholding over 100,000 pages of evidence related to witness michael cohen, who actually made the payments for donald trump to stormy daniels. judge marshawn ruled that the manhattan district attorney's office was not at fault for any

delay in the documents and scheduled jury selection to begin on april 15th. "the washington post" writes that trump seated at the defense table, grimaced his head. uncharacteristically furious. as the judge eviscerated lawyers for accusing the manhattan's office, of prosecutorial misconduct. citing, it's really disconcerting because the allegations that the defense makes in all of your papers is unbelievably serious. you're literally accusing the manhattan d.a.'s office and the people assigned of this case of engaging in prosecutorial misconduct and of trying to make me complicit in it. and you don't even have a single cite to support that position. that the people, by not

obtaining the documentation from the u.s. attorney's office, had somehow committed some sort of fraud upon the court. when the trial begins, they will hear a version of what was announced almost a year ago. >> the defendant repeatedly made false statements on new york business records. he also caused others to make false statements. the defendant claimed that he was paying michael cohen for legal services, performed in 2017. this simply was not true. and it was a false statement the defendant made month after month in 2017. april, may, june and so on, through the rest of the year. for nine straight months, the defendant held documents in his hand, containing this key lie. why? why did donald trump repeatedly

make these false statements? the evidence will show that he did so to cover up crimes relating to the 2016 election. at its core, this case today is one with allegations like so many of our white-collar cases. allegations that someone lied again and again to protect their interests and evade the laws to which we are all held accountable. >> leading off our discussion tonight is andrew weissmann, former chief of the criminal division. he's an msnbc legal analyst, and coauthor of the new "new york times" best selling book. also with us is neil, professor at georgetown law. he is an msnbc analyst and host of "courtside." and andrew, i have to thank you. this weekend. as expected, i had the book at home. and i had to flip over to the

ronna mcdaniel section of your book. to make sure i understood exactly where she was in the thick of all of this. and last week, when i asked you, what are you looking for on monday, you just said two words. trial date. and district attorney alvin bragg got the trial date he wanted, april 15th. >> absolutely. there are a number of things to take home from this. one is, the judge is clearly no nonsense. and is not going to put up with any more delay. the second has to do with defense counsel. obviously, defense counsel, that's a noble profession. donald trump, like anyone, is entitled to great defense counsel defending him. remember, john adams. former president of the united states, used to be a defense

lawyer and represented british soldiers at a time that it was very unpopular. so it's important to remember that. but there is a line you do not cross. and todd blanche was repeatedly excoriated by the court. and i'm just going to read one passage that gives the audience a flavor. this is the judge to mr. blanche. "you're literally accusing the manhattan district attorney's office and the people assigned to this case of engaging in prosecutorial misconduct and of trying to make me -- that's the court -- complicit in it, and you don't have a single cite to support that position." that is representative of how that went today, where defense counsel really was underwhelming and didn't do the job that -- again, to be -- you

want defense council to be as strong and as good as possible, just like the prosecution. you want them as strong and as good as possible. this was really not a good showing for donald trump and his counsel today. and how they handled the matter before judge marshawn. >> and neil, turns out that chronologically in the crimes is accused of. this is the first one he committed. he committed this in the beginning of 2016. continued it in the oval office, actually signing some of the hush money payments in the oval office. and so we are beginning. >> that's absolutely right. and it's so interesting that this decision to set the trial

today, judge merchan. chump has multiple things going on in new york himself. multiple different proceedings. all of these cases and maneuvers by trump. it's like trump's life is one legal game of frogger or something like that. i do think this is the first time a former president has been indicted, criminally. and the first to go to trial, april 15th. others like france, brazil. but america hasn't. and it's because we've got a person here in donald trump who is incapable of staying within the lines that the law sets for you and me. and that's what this trial is about. that's what the other trials are about. you know, trump portrays this as some minor thing. this is a really big thing. on the eve of the 2016 election, he was using michael

cohen to pay off a porn star, so that his story wouldn't come out in the news. and that's a serious issue. because if it came out, it very well may have swung the election. so this wasn't a minor violation. this was something really serious. and i'm glad to see it finally going to trial. >> and andrew, this one has a certain advantage of simplicity here. paying off the porn star, while your presidential campaign is in crisis already because of things you've said about sexually assaulting women in the final weeks of a presidential campaign. and it is also the story that the news media has told before. but the idea of, you know, paying off a porn star. and i have to forge the records of how i'm doing that, seems to be a pretty simple evidence base to deliver. >> yeah. this is not enron. you do not have to explain to the jury, which i and many others on my team, had to

explain mark to market accounting to a jury. this is one, as nicolle wallace likes to say, hey, you might want to try to blame other people. but there is only one person who is benefiting from this scheme. and that is donald trump. the idea that people were going to do this and engage in this without donald trump knowing, when it was -- he was the principle beneficiary, is a pretty far-fetched idea. of course, we have to wait and see. you know, i've been knocking todd blanche, but the other attorney that donald trump has is susan necklace. she is a wonderful, well- respected defense lawyer. and she is somebody who i always want to wait. and she will have a theory on something that she is presenting to the jury. so you don't ever want to say, this is a fet acomplis.

but on paper, this is a clear, clean case, where susan will have her work cut out for her. >> and neal, even in a longer- than-expected version of this trial, it looks like we will have a verdict, if the jury can reach a verdict, well before election day. >> that's right. it's projected this trial will take four more weeks. and trump will undoubtedly try to delay in any way or shape that he can. i wouldn't be surprised if he tries to go to the new york court of appeals in the next few days, trying to delay the trial. that's not going to succeed. those kinds of what we call interlock tory appeals, now almost never work. and here, there's just nothing for him to grab onto. starting the 1st. we may be talking end of may, june for a verdict. and then sentencing after that.

and these are felonies, lawrence, with up to four years for each count of falsifying a business record. >> andrew weissmann and neal, thank you for joining us. coming up, a new york appeals court gave donald trump days to come up with the bond to protect his assets, while he's appealing the $464 million fraud judgment against him. the appeals court did not reverse any of the findings of the case. they simply lowered the bond amount to a number donald trump might be might -- or might not -- be able to handle. that's next.

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to $175 million. donald trump has 10 days to secure the bond. new york attorney general leticia james issued this statement, saying donald trump is still facing objectability for his staggering fraud. the court has already found that he engaged in years of fraud to falsely inflate his net worth and unjustly enrich himself, his family, his organization. the $464 million judgment still stands. if donald trump loses his appeal, which is expected to be heard this fall, he would owe the full judgment amount, unless the appeals court reduces it. the appeals court rejected donald trump's request to block judge ang arorran. as well as allow for an independent director of compliance. joining us is adam

former assistant attorney. and andrew weissmann is back with us. andrew, it's common, especially the bigger the judgment, the more likely it is, that the judgment will be reduced this. is an indication that possibly the appeals court might have in mind, in the end, possibly a lower judgment? or not? >> well, yeah. we don't know the answer to that. and there are things that trump won on. there are things that trump lost on. certainly the schedule that was set for hearing the appeal is much faster than normal the fact that there will be these two sort of overseers and monitors in place even during the appeal. that is honestly a good thing. but my disappointment in this ruling has nothing to do with the merits of it. it has to do with the fact that there was no explanation by the

court as to why it was doing what it was doing. and i just think in this age, where we're seeing donald trump and so many people attack the judiciary, it is so incumbent on judges to give their reasoning. it is so easy for people to be cynical about what happened here, to think of this as a sign of two systems of justice that he is getting unequal treatment. and it doesn't help when the judges aren't spelling out sort of exactly why they're doing what they're doing. and i just think, especially given donald trump's attack on the judiciary. that is not a good role model for the judges. and there are many, many judges, who have done a better job at sort of countering that cynicism, by giving a more complete recitation of why they're doing what they're doing. >> adam given your experience

in the attorney general's office, what was your reaction to the judgment? the decision by the appeals court today? >> i had a couple of reactions. one is, it certainly suggests that there's some concern on the appellate court about the magnitude of the decision. the magnitude of the judgment. that $450 million might seem high. the law is clear that a bond must be posted in the amount of the judgment, and for the court to exercise its inherent powers and decrease the size of that bond, suggests they may be concerned that it might be too high. >> and adam, going forward, is there anything else you could read into what we -- this decision, which as andrew says, does not include anything about their thinking? >> it's right. what andrew said, which is, there is no explanation, there's no thinking expressed. all we're doing is reading tea

leaves here. but another important point is they limited the amount of time that trump has to perfect the appeal. "perfect" is kind of a fancy way of saying "file the appeal already." he already noticed the appeal. now, do it. ordinarily, in new york state courts, you would have nine months to actually do the appeal. here they sped it up. they said if you want this smaller bond amount, if you want to have this relief, we want you to do the appeal sooner than later. get a move on. it will be heard in early september. >> and andrew, as we go forward with all of the trump litigation, this will -- this case will recede now from public view, as the criminal prosecution in manhattan takes over. and then, of course, as we finally get to the united states supreme court dealing with that issue of criminal immunity for donald trump. this case is going to kind of move off to the side, while those things take center stage.

>> that's correct, with one caveat. there will be these two monitors, a compliance monitor, and barbara jens, a continuing monitor. i would not totally close the door to whether they find more financial shenanigans. i generally agree with you. but that is generally someone's worst nightmare, having two independent people overseeing this. so given that, you're still going to have to have a bond of $175 million. and you're going to have payments coming out. i'd still keep an eye out to see if we hear more from those two people. >> and it's not certain donald trump can make the $175 million. >> that's right. he just put out $100 million on the carroll defamation case

just a couple of weeks ago. it's not clear that he has $175 million in liquid assets to make this bond. he says he does. but the entire trial was about the fact that he is, at best, unclear. and at worst, engages in persistent fraud, with respected disclosure of his actual assets. >> andrew pollick, and andrew weissmann. thank you for joining us. >> donald trump comparing himself to jesus christ. and then spent the day in a criminal courtroom, where he will face trial for paying off a porn star. something jesus christ never did. that's next. did. that's next. ♪ i am, said i ♪ ♪ and i am lost and i can't ♪ punch buggy red. ♪ even say why ♪ ♪ i am, i said ♪

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donald trump knows nothing about religion, absolutely nothing and has faked his religion in order to pander to evangelical voters. so donald trump probably found out that this week is what christians call holy week. when one of his followers posted this, which donald trump then immediately reposted on social media. it's ironic that christ walked through his greatest persecution, the very week they are trying to steal your property from you. the christian tradition of holy week is this week, ending on easter sunday, this coming weekend. and on this monday, of holy week, donald trump found out

that his first criminal trial will begin on april 15th. and that he has 10 days to post a bond of $175 million to protect his assets, during his appeal of the $464 million judgment against him for business fraud. today, the biden-harris campaign, described donald trump's situation this way. donald trump is weak and desperate, both as a man and a candidate for president. he spent the weekend golfing. the morning comparing himself to jesus, and the afternoon lying about having money he definitely doesn't have. his campaign can't raise money. he is uninterested in campaigning outside his country club, and every time he opens his mouth, he pushes moderate and suburban voters away with his dangerous agenda. america deserves better than a feeble, confused, and tired donald trump.

and speaking of feeble and confused. >> and we'll bring crime back to law and order. we're going to get those words "law and order back." you can't have election in the middle of a political season. >> jerry stein is executive editor, author of trump nation. msnbc analyst and host of the bloomberg podcast, crash course. and tim o'brien knows you can have an election in the middle of a political season. he said that a few times. and then that nicely-phrased, let's see -- "we're going to -- we'll bring crime back to law and order." tim, what's happening to the man's mind? you've studied him a long time. you've spent time with him back when you were writing about him, back when he sued you for

telling how rich he wasn't. what are you seeing in this? >> well, lawrence. one, it's going to be a very long election season. it's going to be eight months. and we are in the very early stages of it. and donald trump is already demonstrating that he can't handle the pressure. of course he had a busy day today. he had to appear in court to deal with the fact that he is both massive both criminal and civil litigation on his doorstep. but just beyond the pressure of the day, i think he's already demonstrating, he's going to have a hard time dealing with the pressure of the weeks and the months as his campaign rolls on. and i think has voters watching him on school, day after day on camera, and basically planting his own foot in his mouth, day after day, on camera, they're going to have to ask themselves whether this is someone who can sit in the oval office and should have his finger on the nuclear button. and should be seeing the most

dynamic. and trying to heal a country that has been buffeted by health crisis and political divisions. and he is simply not into it. it's another reminder that this isn't an election with a democrat facing a republican. it is an election, in which joe biden, a senior public servant, who is rational and well- meaning and is surrounded by a group of very talented and capable of advisers, is facing off against donald trump, who is an unhinged narcissist, who has no interest other than himself. and has no constitution to get there. and one of his comments today is evidence of that. that we're going to bring crime back in law and order. i'm certain he didn't mean to say that. but at the same time, it is exactly what he has done. he has spent the last several years, trying to dig out at the foundations of the rule of law and civic society, and civil

society. so i think anyone watching him today, i think, also just has to get ready, not to become lured soto this. it will be easy to tune this out. we're going to get more week after week. if we don't see it for what it is and hold him accountable for it, then we're going to wind up on the wrong side of the stick on this. >> tim, before you go. is donald trump going be to able to come up with $175 million in the next 10 days? >> i think he will. but it's going to tie him up. it's going to affect his business. he already had to post a lot of money in the e. jean carroll case. this certainly isn't $454 million. but it's still a substantial amount of money. and it will be interesting to see where he sources the money. we should see if he gets it from abroad, or if he gets it from various surety firms, whether or not that brings a body blow to his family in doing business in new york

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with the united states abstthe cease-fire passed 14-0, with the united states abstin favor of the draft resolution. please raise their hand. >> those against. have extension? the result of the voting is as follows. 14 votes in favor. zero vote against. one abstention. [ applause ] >> the draft resolution has

been adopted as resolution 2728, 2024. this is the first time the united states has not vetoed a security council cease-fire resolution. >> today, as you all know, we abstained on a u.n. security council resolution, calling for a cease-fire in gaza, until the end of ramadan and the release of all the hostages. our vote does not -- and i repeat, does not represent a shift in our policy. we have been very clear and very consistent in a cease-fire being important for a hostage deal. the resolution acknowledges the ongoing talks. we wanted to get to a place where we could support this resolution. but because the final text does not have key language that we think is essential. such as condemning hamas. we couldn't support it. >> after the united states allowed today's cease-fire

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unfortunately, not able to vote yes. however, as i've said before, we fully support some of the critical objectives in this nonbinding resolution. and we believe it was important for the council to speak out. >> how big of a departure was this today? >> i think it's a big departure. it's a big shot across bibi's bough. saying look. our patience isn't endless. and by the way, bibi's reaction was petulant. but not sending the folks here. i think it's a prelude to even the consideration of the u.s. making a break for israel. we don't want to make a break. we still want to keep our leverage. but this is about as far as we can go. >> peter barnhart, we have all, for our lifetimes, watched the american u.n. ambassador, stand for and beside israel in the

united nations, at moments like these. what was your reaction to what we saw today? >> i think the biden administration is tiptoeing towards the kind of actions that it would genuinely need to take in order to try to stop the carnage, the destruction of gaza. and what it will take will be the united states to say to israel, that we will no longer provid military aid for this war, and we will no longer provide diplomatic immunity for israel in international forums. if the biden administration is not willing to take those steps, i think benjamin netanyahu will continue to defy the united states. but we're seeing for the first time, this really is an historic shift. that those further steps, the serious use of u.s. leverage is on the table. >> let's listen to what donald trump says about this. >> you have to finish up your

war. you have to finish up. you've got to get it done. and i'm sure you'll do that. and then we gotta get to peace. you can't have this going on. and i will say, israel has to be very careful because you're losing a lot of the world. you're losing a lot of support. but you have to finish up. you have to get the job done. and you have to get on to peace. you have to get onto a normal life for israel and for everybody else. >> every single, finish up, get the job done. how would you expect the israeli government to interpret that? >> well, i think they would interpret it as support. support for the invasion of rafah, which the administration is very dubious about. i'm going to switch keys for a second, lawrence. as you know, i am the cochair of the board of care, the humanitarian organization. and we have been in gaza and the west bank for decades and decades, supplying food. we've never seen anything like the approach to famine that is

happening in gaza now. in northern gaza. 83% of the people are suffering from severe malnutrition. the whole point of a cease- fire, even one, just a temporary one, during the month of ramadan is to get food into gaza. that's a desperate need. and the administration knows that. and that's why they abstained in this ruling today. >> peter beinhart, the trump position of you've got to finish up and get the job done. what does that mean to you? >> to me, this is based on a lie. the idea that israel can go in and finish up. sounds good to america, doesn't it? we finished up the job. this is a lie. yes. hamas will no longer be in power. but israel is going to be there, fighting an insurgency for a long, long time. whether it calls itself hamas or something else. we know every one of those

people that israel has killed, the 30,000 or more, they are going to have relatives who are seeking revenge. so this idea that israel can just go into rafah and end this is, again, akin to the fallacy that we had when we went into iraq and afghanistan. only a political solution that provides palestinians a path to freedom can ultimately create safety for israelis and palestinians. and unfortunately, this israeli government has no interest in that whatsoever. >> peter beinart and thank you for joining us. thank you for joining us. it's all the things that keep this world turning. it's the go-tos that keep us going. the places we cheer. trust. hang out. and check in. they all choose the advanced network solutions and round the clock partnership from comcast business. powering more businesses than anyone.

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